1 00:00:03,139 --> 00:00:02,389 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:04,249 --> 00:00:03,149 triangle 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:04,259 you know there's explanation for 4 00:00:06,710 --> 00:00:05,370 everything that occurred in the 5 00:00:09,169 --> 00:00:06,720 Rendlesham forest incident 6 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:09,179 it doesn't involve aliens at all it was 7 00:00:15,799 --> 00:00:11,849 completely silent it comes right over 8 00:00:17,210 --> 00:00:15,809 our head it's so on the fly souls are 9 00:00:18,830 --> 00:00:17,220 really standing in the clearing he 10 00:00:20,450 --> 00:00:18,840 turned over to my father and held his 11 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:20,460 hand and he looked in his eyes and said 12 00:00:28,130 --> 00:00:24,960 we're not alone hello and welcome to the 13 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:28,140 show the show we call podcast UFO I'm 14 00:00:32,630 --> 00:00:30,570 Martin Willis your host and we're coming 15 00:00:35,510 --> 00:00:32,640 at you live like every Wednesday at 9 16 00:00:37,610 --> 00:00:35,520 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on the dark 17 00:00:40,389 --> 00:00:37,620 matter radio network if you're listening 18 00:00:44,270 --> 00:00:40,399 live please join in our chat room at 19 00:00:46,130 --> 00:00:44,280 podcast UFO comm I'd like to take a 20 00:00:49,220 --> 00:00:46,140 second to thank all those who have 21 00:00:51,350 --> 00:00:49,230 donated to help our our show we have 22 00:00:52,580 --> 00:00:51,360 some bandwidth use that's costing some 23 00:00:54,799 --> 00:00:52,590 money and I really really appreciate 24 00:00:56,930 --> 00:00:54,809 that well we have another great show for 25 00:00:59,420 --> 00:00:56,940 you tonight Alejandro Rojas of open 26 00:01:01,430 --> 00:00:59,430 minds is coming on with the news in just 27 00:01:03,830 --> 00:01:01,440 a second and tonight we have a guest 28 00:01:07,550 --> 00:01:03,840 Randall Nickerson to talk about his 29 00:01:10,190 --> 00:01:07,560 upcoming film and the Zimbabwe Ariel 30 00:01:12,590 --> 00:01:10,200 school encounter and to me this is one 31 00:01:15,380 --> 00:01:12,600 of the all-time important cases that 32 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:15,390 there is out there we'll be talking 33 00:01:20,210 --> 00:01:18,090 about the 62 school children that were 34 00:01:23,810 --> 00:01:20,220 involved and what their lives are like 35 00:01:26,690 --> 00:01:23,820 now it happened on September 16 1994 so 36 00:01:28,370 --> 00:01:26,700 we just passed the 20th anniversary so 37 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:28,380 I'm pretty excited to talk about this 38 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:31,650 and Alejandro how're you doing today 39 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:35,610 hello I am doing good good and I you 40 00:01:40,069 --> 00:01:37,890 pass the news over to me today this some 41 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:40,079 great great things were happening last 42 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:41,610 week well I don't want to say great 43 00:01:46,190 --> 00:01:43,290 things I mean kind of interesting 44 00:01:48,950 --> 00:01:46,200 exciting writings yeah so one is just 45 00:01:51,889 --> 00:01:48,960 want you enlighten us yes there's some 46 00:01:55,490 --> 00:01:51,899 really cool stuff the hot one today I'll 47 00:01:59,270 --> 00:01:55,500 start off with and this is a video of a 48 00:02:01,160 --> 00:01:59,280 UFO over the protests in Hong Kong so 49 00:02:02,899 --> 00:02:01,170 this is a really cool video and it's 50 00:02:05,209 --> 00:02:02,909 starting to spread all over the place 51 00:02:07,819 --> 00:02:05,219 Lee Spiegel from The Huffington Post 52 00:02:10,669 --> 00:02:07,829 just wrote about it today I tipped them 53 00:02:12,050 --> 00:02:10,679 off on this one but essentially the BBC 54 00:02:15,950 --> 00:02:12,060 was covering the protests 55 00:02:20,590 --> 00:02:15,960 in Hong Kong and on one of the and this 56 00:02:26,870 --> 00:02:20,600 was on Tuesday and a gentleman in Sound 57 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:26,880 linker sure in in Blantyre Scotland was 58 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:28,890 watching the BBC and he recorded the 59 00:02:34,070 --> 00:02:31,890 section where he saw a UFO and in this 60 00:02:37,250 --> 00:02:34,080 video that he posted you can see this 61 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:37,260 bright object come from the left some 62 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:38,490 people thought it came from in between 63 00:02:43,220 --> 00:02:40,770 the buildings but it is in front of the 64 00:02:46,699 --> 00:02:43,230 buildings which which matters and it 65 00:02:48,410 --> 00:02:46,709 comes in it look goes it looks like it's 66 00:02:49,970 --> 00:02:48,420 going to the top of this building and 67 00:02:52,460 --> 00:02:49,980 the guy thinks it landed on this 68 00:02:57,020 --> 00:02:52,470 building and then it shot straight up 69 00:02:59,360 --> 00:02:57,030 into the sky on the video you can tell 70 00:03:01,160 --> 00:02:59,370 the lie actually isn't landing on the 71 00:03:02,570 --> 00:03:01,170 video it's are on the building it's in 72 00:03:04,930 --> 00:03:02,580 front of the building and the reason 73 00:03:07,550 --> 00:03:04,940 that's important is because some of the 74 00:03:10,580 --> 00:03:07,560 analysts such as I had been handsome 75 00:03:13,220 --> 00:03:10,590 look at it from fact or faked I had Mark 76 00:03:16,340 --> 00:03:13,230 Dantonio look at it for very fun yep 77 00:03:18,770 --> 00:03:16,350 they both felt it could be a drone and 78 00:03:21,740 --> 00:03:18,780 that it's just closer or you know a 79 00:03:23,630 --> 00:03:21,750 drone with the BBC did have a drone 80 00:03:26,479 --> 00:03:23,640 there and they were taking video and 81 00:03:28,580 --> 00:03:26,489 they think that's what it could be you 82 00:03:32,060 --> 00:03:28,590 know my objection was this thing shoots 83 00:03:34,699 --> 00:03:32,070 up straight up at a really fast rate of 84 00:03:36,229 --> 00:03:34,709 speed and their objection is well it 85 00:03:39,020 --> 00:03:36,239 could be closer than you think 86 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:39,030 and it could be flying up and towards 87 00:03:43,580 --> 00:03:41,730 the person taking the video which would 88 00:03:47,180 --> 00:03:43,590 make it look like it's shooting straight 89 00:03:49,910 --> 00:03:47,190 up and I was skeptical but then you know 90 00:03:53,180 --> 00:03:49,920 some people post it on Facebook in some 91 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:53,190 videos of these quad copters flying 92 00:03:58,220 --> 00:03:55,530 around and kind of this stunt pilot guy 93 00:04:02,180 --> 00:03:58,230 and they can do some incredible stuff 94 00:04:04,069 --> 00:04:02,190 they can move extremely fast so it is 95 00:04:06,710 --> 00:04:04,079 possible that that's what it is I 96 00:04:09,530 --> 00:04:06,720 suppose but the video is very shocking 97 00:04:11,810 --> 00:04:09,540 very cool and of course you could see 98 00:04:13,610 --> 00:04:11,820 that at open mind TV have you been able 99 00:04:16,670 --> 00:04:13,620 to take a look at this one I did you 100 00:04:19,159 --> 00:04:16,680 know a few days ago and I saw you know 101 00:04:22,130 --> 00:04:19,169 the comments posted on it as well and by 102 00:04:23,940 --> 00:04:22,140 the way we have links to this in our 103 00:04:25,410 --> 00:04:23,950 show notes right on our website 104 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:25,420 right and I'll shoot you right over to 105 00:04:34,410 --> 00:04:29,530 open minds TV and with the stories this 106 00:04:36,630 --> 00:04:34,420 reminded me of the UFO over the Dome of 107 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:36,640 the rock you know the way it shot up 108 00:04:40,950 --> 00:04:38,770 this thing shot up yeah Lee really fast 109 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:40,960 and you know that's that's the one thing 110 00:04:44,940 --> 00:04:42,490 that stood out to me more than anything 111 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:44,950 else as far as it being a drone I just 112 00:04:48,180 --> 00:04:47,050 can't picture a drone I know you're 113 00:04:50,280 --> 00:04:48,190 talking about the angles and everything 114 00:04:52,020 --> 00:04:50,290 but I certainly can't picture a drone 115 00:04:54,330 --> 00:04:52,030 shooting up like that 116 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:54,340 so there's no question that this is not 117 00:04:59,700 --> 00:04:57,730 a CGI thing nobody thus far and those 118 00:05:02,490 --> 00:04:59,710 are very capable analyst you know 119 00:05:06,540 --> 00:05:02,500 obeying mark they don't feel that it is 120 00:05:09,420 --> 00:05:06,550 CGI that it looks like it is legit 121 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:09,430 so you know what I have a hard time with 122 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:10,810 the same part that you're talking about 123 00:05:17,550 --> 00:05:15,610 so I really want to you know be 124 00:05:20,010 --> 00:05:17,560 definitive when it comes to a drone but 125 00:05:23,100 --> 00:05:20,020 I look at the video and it's just so 126 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:23,110 strange the way it shoots up that now 127 00:05:25,260 --> 00:05:25,090 hopefully mark will cuz he does this a 128 00:05:26,970 --> 00:05:25,270 lot 129 00:05:28,590 --> 00:05:26,980 he likes to demonstrate what he's 130 00:05:30,150 --> 00:05:28,600 talking about that's right hopefully 131 00:05:32,550 --> 00:05:30,160 he'll do that I know he had some quad 132 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:32,560 copters and I'd like to see him do that 133 00:05:37,710 --> 00:05:35,530 so we can see that they can't duplicate 134 00:05:39,780 --> 00:05:37,720 this yeah yeah that's great about mark 135 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:39,790 he likes to replicate things to see if 136 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:42,690 we can be done so what else is happening 137 00:05:48,630 --> 00:05:45,850 this is a great story I really like this 138 00:05:50,700 --> 00:05:48,640 so we had talked about the Ministry of 139 00:05:54,570 --> 00:05:50,710 Defense I believe in the eighteen files 140 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:54,580 they found yeah there's this story well 141 00:05:58,920 --> 00:05:56,650 it turns out John Burroughs had had 142 00:06:00,870 --> 00:05:58,930 message me and he's like you know where 143 00:06:05,580 --> 00:06:00,880 did these files come from these are 144 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:05,590 these are my files and who who did how 145 00:06:10,380 --> 00:06:07,210 did this get on the mo Dee and stuff 146 00:06:12,510 --> 00:06:10,390 like this so it turns out this is really 147 00:06:14,370 --> 00:06:12,520 strange talking with John Burroughs 148 00:06:16,470 --> 00:06:14,380 she's one of the witnesses to the 149 00:06:19,230 --> 00:06:16,480 Rendlesham forest and he's been doing a 150 00:06:21,300 --> 00:06:19,240 lot of work in some FOIAs with our 151 00:06:23,910 --> 00:06:21,310 government and with the UK government to 152 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:23,920 find out more he has been sick he's got 153 00:06:29,220 --> 00:06:26,530 congenital heart disease and he thinks 154 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:29,230 that his UFO sighting was related he's 155 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:31,090 been trying to get his medical records 156 00:06:37,890 --> 00:06:36,130 and it happens that the at first he went 157 00:06:39,990 --> 00:06:37,900 to go seek this and they said that 158 00:06:43,140 --> 00:06:40,000 she wasn't in the air force during that 159 00:06:46,380 --> 00:06:43,150 time when he certainly was a really 160 00:06:49,230 --> 00:06:46,390 strange so he had to go to get help from 161 00:06:51,660 --> 00:06:49,240 Senator McCain his senator out here they 162 00:06:54,570 --> 00:06:51,670 finally were able to acknowledge that he 163 00:06:55,980 --> 00:06:54,580 did join the air force in 79 but they 164 00:06:59,760 --> 00:06:55,990 told him we'll probably never get your 165 00:07:03,120 --> 00:06:59,770 medical records from 79 to 82 the UFO 166 00:07:05,070 --> 00:07:03,130 sighting happened in 1980 and the reason 167 00:07:08,220 --> 00:07:05,080 that 18 files is important because it 168 00:07:10,710 --> 00:07:08,230 was a FOIA that he did back in December 169 00:07:12,300 --> 00:07:10,720 that got the mo D to say okay we found 170 00:07:16,110 --> 00:07:12,310 18 more files were going to release 171 00:07:18,780 --> 00:07:16,120 those well a UK gentleman named Andy 172 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:18,790 Russell read a story about that and did 173 00:07:25,070 --> 00:07:21,910 another FOIA and that's what DM OT 174 00:07:28,110 --> 00:07:25,080 responded to the other day well 175 00:07:30,510 --> 00:07:28,120 unbelievable so it's funny how more 176 00:07:32,100 --> 00:07:30,520 missing files as they say yeah but 177 00:07:34,260 --> 00:07:32,110 what's even more mysterious about these 178 00:07:37,410 --> 00:07:34,270 files is that Burroughs released on the 179 00:07:39,270 --> 00:07:37,420 15th a press release about him trying to 180 00:07:41,790 --> 00:07:39,280 find this stuff his problem getting his 181 00:07:46,020 --> 00:07:41,800 medical records and everything and the 182 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:46,030 mo D on the 16th posted on their website 183 00:07:50,790 --> 00:07:48,850 a response to this Andy Russell guy 184 00:07:54,630 --> 00:07:50,800 saying that we're going to release these 185 00:07:57,570 --> 00:07:54,640 18 files so it's really weird that the 186 00:07:59,400 --> 00:07:57,580 mo D only posted on the 16th that they 187 00:08:01,410 --> 00:07:59,410 were going to release the files they 188 00:08:03,330 --> 00:08:01,420 only posted their response to Andy 189 00:08:05,220 --> 00:08:03,340 Russell even though they had told 190 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:05,230 Burroughs in December they were going to 191 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:07,570 do this but they didn't post Burroughs 192 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:09,970 their response to Burroughs and they 193 00:08:14,460 --> 00:08:12,310 post their response that date after he 194 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:14,470 sent out a press release to a lot of UK 195 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:18,130 media so really weird so it was really 196 00:08:22,740 --> 00:08:20,170 his press release that caused the Daily 197 00:08:24,710 --> 00:08:22,750 Star to write a story so when I first 198 00:08:27,450 --> 00:08:24,720 asked him and Nick about this Nick Pope 199 00:08:30,090 --> 00:08:27,460 they were kind of confused because I was 200 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:30,100 referring to the mo d site and we 201 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:32,530 finally cleared all this up so it is 202 00:08:39,900 --> 00:08:35,770 really strange but what Jim burrows also 203 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:39,910 found was a UK document from that was 204 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:42,130 created by defense intelligence a very 205 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:44,410 secretive intelligence organization in 206 00:08:50,970 --> 00:08:48,850 the UK they had a UFO report that they 207 00:08:52,470 --> 00:08:50,980 released that they did in two 208 00:08:55,829 --> 00:08:52,480 thousand but they didn't release it to 209 00:08:57,629 --> 00:08:55,839 the public until 2006 Burroughs went 210 00:09:01,949 --> 00:08:57,639 through this report and he found a 211 00:09:04,910 --> 00:09:01,959 section on you AP radiation they were at 212 00:09:07,439 --> 00:09:04,920 this time using the phrase UAP which is 213 00:09:10,110 --> 00:09:07,449 unidentified aerial phenomena instead a 214 00:09:11,910 --> 00:09:10,120 UFO Burroughs thinks they did that so if 215 00:09:14,819 --> 00:09:11,920 you search for UFO documents you 216 00:09:17,030 --> 00:09:14,829 wouldn't get their new you ap documents 217 00:09:20,189 --> 00:09:17,040 but this thing talked about you ap 218 00:09:23,189 --> 00:09:20,199 radiation and speculated that the people 219 00:09:26,490 --> 00:09:23,199 in Rendlesham those witnesses could have 220 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:26,500 been exposed to a long period of you AP 221 00:09:33,180 --> 00:09:29,410 radiation that caused some effects on 222 00:09:35,819 --> 00:09:33,190 them so really interesting that he found 223 00:09:37,980 --> 00:09:35,829 this as well the whole thing really does 224 00:09:43,319 --> 00:09:37,990 smack of conspiracy you know and I'm 225 00:09:45,090 --> 00:09:43,329 nice to jump to that oh I am yes no but 226 00:09:46,590 --> 00:09:45,100 you know there are a lot of questions 227 00:09:49,620 --> 00:09:46,600 that had to be answered how do they 228 00:09:52,019 --> 00:09:49,630 conveniently lose his medical files they 229 00:09:55,379 --> 00:09:52,029 also lost uh James 230 00:09:58,439 --> 00:09:55,389 add peniston's medical files right so 231 00:10:00,720 --> 00:09:58,449 why is this yeah mm-hmm so really 232 00:10:04,019 --> 00:10:00,730 mysterious so we got a lot more details 233 00:10:06,449 --> 00:10:04,029 about this in the story and we're going 234 00:10:08,759 --> 00:10:06,459 to be following John and his uh you know 235 00:10:11,550 --> 00:10:08,769 fight to get all this information yep 236 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:11,560 and I wish both of them really good luck 237 00:10:15,509 --> 00:10:14,050 because if they are indeed suffering you 238 00:10:16,650 --> 00:10:15,519 know from something that happened while 239 00:10:20,490 --> 00:10:16,660 they were in the military there should 240 00:10:23,189 --> 00:10:20,500 be taken care of right so pretty crazy 241 00:10:25,530 --> 00:10:23,199 stuff it is and what's our final story 242 00:10:28,050 --> 00:10:25,540 tonight final story is about a UFO 243 00:10:30,449 --> 00:10:28,060 sighting and Missouri and it's just kind 244 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:30,459 of cool I mean it happened the first one 245 00:10:36,090 --> 00:10:33,250 happened in July where these people said 246 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:36,100 they saw this object bigger than a house 247 00:10:42,269 --> 00:10:39,370 in a field some guy actually flagged 248 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:42,279 them down they saw this disc craft in 249 00:10:46,009 --> 00:10:44,170 the air some guy was walking his dog 250 00:10:49,710 --> 00:10:46,019 flagged him down and said look at that 251 00:10:52,590 --> 00:10:49,720 so they looked they followed it they saw 252 00:10:54,689 --> 00:10:52,600 it landing in this in landed in this 253 00:10:58,019 --> 00:10:54,699 field so it was really interesting so 254 00:11:01,050 --> 00:10:58,029 the Missouri MUFON has been looking into 255 00:11:03,190 --> 00:11:01,060 it and they also got a third witness and 256 00:11:05,370 --> 00:11:03,200 this gentleman is an air 257 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:05,380 I'm pilot who wanted to remain anonymous 258 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:08,450 who confirmed that he saw the same 259 00:11:14,740 --> 00:11:12,170 object and that now this week there's a 260 00:11:19,590 --> 00:11:14,750 third witness now and this is a state 261 00:11:24,940 --> 00:11:19,600 trooper however this happened on August 262 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:24,950 16th in Joplin Missouri and it just is 263 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:28,370 very similar this guy you know saw craft 264 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:32,330 and it was in this field and just a very 265 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:36,050 similar sighting but in August so it's 266 00:11:40,300 --> 00:11:37,970 just kind of interesting that Missouri 267 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:40,310 is having these sightings that are 268 00:11:46,420 --> 00:11:44,810 similar by very credible people um so 269 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:46,430 they've got kind of a flap going on 270 00:11:51,070 --> 00:11:48,770 there and really for the last like three 271 00:11:53,890 --> 00:11:51,080 years Missouri is all of a sudden the 272 00:11:56,830 --> 00:11:53,900 hot spot I mean they weren't so much a 273 00:12:01,440 --> 00:11:56,840 hot spot years ago but they're getting a 274 00:12:04,930 --> 00:12:01,450 lot more strange reports out there in 275 00:12:06,580 --> 00:12:04,940 Missouri so I've been following this for 276 00:12:09,940 --> 00:12:06,590 a while I don't know if you've had them 277 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:09,950 on but Debbie's Eagle Meyer is the MUFON 278 00:12:15,190 --> 00:12:12,710 State Director out there and the 279 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:15,200 assistant State Director is margie kay I 280 00:12:18,180 --> 00:12:16,850 talked to them both and they've both 281 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:18,190 done some really interesting 282 00:12:23,170 --> 00:12:20,690 investigating out there well no I 283 00:12:24,490 --> 00:12:23,180 haven't had them on and did anyone try 284 00:12:27,730 --> 00:12:24,500 to check to see if there's any trace 285 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:27,740 evidence on this up one day in psi 286 00:12:33,220 --> 00:12:30,410 Landing from what I understand there has 287 00:12:35,950 --> 00:12:33,230 not been trace evidence discovered at 288 00:12:37,780 --> 00:12:35,960 this point yeah well but interesting 289 00:12:39,250 --> 00:12:37,790 yeah they they haven't really explored 290 00:12:39,970 --> 00:12:39,260 Missouri yet so they're checking it out 291 00:12:42,250 --> 00:12:39,980 that's what it's about 292 00:12:44,260 --> 00:12:42,260 yeah and I should mention that there 293 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:44,270 were effects to a couple people the 294 00:12:50,830 --> 00:12:47,330 vehicles Wow like electrical effects 295 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:50,840 yeah one wouldn't start and then another 296 00:12:56,260 --> 00:12:54,170 one had a strange static noise that 297 00:12:56,830 --> 00:12:56,270 started coming over his speakers sounds 298 00:13:01,000 --> 00:12:56,840 familiar 299 00:13:02,650 --> 00:13:01,010 yeah sounds like Close Encounters that's 300 00:13:04,660 --> 00:13:02,660 right hey we'll see you next week 301 00:13:06,700 --> 00:13:04,670 alejandro thanks so much for today's 302 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:06,710 news all right thanks man talk to you 303 00:13:10,750 --> 00:13:09,170 next week talk to you next week so hang 304 00:14:24,640 --> 00:13:10,760 in there right after the music break 305 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:28,100 Randy Nickerson how are you hey good 306 00:14:34,310 --> 00:14:31,110 Martin are you I'm doing well thanks so 307 00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:34,320 much for joining us before we get into 308 00:14:39,950 --> 00:14:37,920 the Ariel school encounter can you give 309 00:14:42,290 --> 00:14:39,960 the listening audience first a little 310 00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:42,300 bit background about your yourself 311 00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:43,560 you're a filmmaker 312 00:14:47,390 --> 00:14:45,360 you're an amazing photography you've 313 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:47,400 gone all over the world but can you fill 314 00:14:55,250 --> 00:14:50,210 us in on your background if you would oh 315 00:15:01,090 --> 00:14:55,260 sure um I started in actually theatre 316 00:15:06,890 --> 00:15:01,100 and piano was my majors in college and 317 00:15:10,070 --> 00:15:06,900 got started to make documentaries in you 318 00:15:15,530 --> 00:15:10,080 know short short form Doc's back in 1990 319 00:15:18,110 --> 00:15:15,540 let's see was that yes 1999 and other 320 00:15:23,140 --> 00:15:18,120 than that a piano technician look to 321 00:15:26,810 --> 00:15:23,150 work on cars and oh yeah roundabout guy 322 00:15:30,770 --> 00:15:26,820 yeah I liked yeah I like to understand 323 00:15:33,710 --> 00:15:30,780 my world and so for the person out there 324 00:15:36,980 --> 00:15:33,720 that has not really looked into this 325 00:15:38,750 --> 00:15:36,990 encounter how about you talk about it in 326 00:15:40,690 --> 00:15:38,760 a nutshell and I mentioned this in the 327 00:15:45,460 --> 00:15:40,700 beginning I do think this is one of the 328 00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:45,470 most amazing encounters in the field and 329 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:48,720 one that I've been drawn to for many 330 00:15:53,930 --> 00:15:52,530 years and and can you just go again for 331 00:15:54,970 --> 00:15:53,940 the listener that is not totally 332 00:15:58,070 --> 00:15:54,980 familiar with it 333 00:16:03,830 --> 00:15:58,080 sure you know I went through that same 334 00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:03,840 process of um when the John Mac 335 00:16:10,270 --> 00:16:07,440 Institute approached me dr. John Mac was 336 00:16:12,620 --> 00:16:10,280 a Harvard professor of psychiatry who 337 00:16:16,910 --> 00:16:12,630 went to Zimbabwe when he heard about 338 00:16:20,030 --> 00:16:16,920 this particular case when I they asked 339 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:20,040 me to uh to look at the footage and if 340 00:16:26,650 --> 00:16:21,690 I'd be interested in making a project 341 00:16:33,010 --> 00:16:26,660 out of it and it was basically a 342 00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:33,020 encounter with the 62 I believe it was 343 00:16:37,370 --> 00:16:36,240 that had seen a 344 00:16:41,690 --> 00:16:37,380 laughs land in the back of their 345 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:41,700 schoolyard and two beings get out and 346 00:16:50,380 --> 00:16:47,610 that were in black um and that was the 347 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:50,390 story that I understood the time and 348 00:16:58,310 --> 00:16:53,490 when I saw the interviews the John Max 349 00:17:01,760 --> 00:16:58,320 raw footage uh I was really struck by 350 00:17:04,699 --> 00:17:01,770 the fact that these were children from 351 00:17:07,250 --> 00:17:04,709 the ages of six to twelve years old all 352 00:17:09,470 --> 00:17:07,260 telling the same story and you know when 353 00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:09,480 you look at them you can tell that 354 00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:12,720 there's there they saw something for 355 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:16,319 sure as far as you know their their 356 00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:19,050 honesty it reads really clearly on 357 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:24,720 camera so that piqued my interest about 358 00:17:31,130 --> 00:17:27,329 exploring well what what exactly 359 00:17:34,190 --> 00:17:31,140 happened here did and started a 360 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:34,200 seven-year investigation essentially 361 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:36,530 which is taken me all over the world 362 00:17:44,419 --> 00:17:42,330 well now when when was the first time 363 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:44,429 that you actually visited the school and 364 00:17:51,919 --> 00:17:47,450 actually spoke with some of the 365 00:17:54,049 --> 00:17:51,929 experiences of that 2008 was the first 366 00:17:57,290 --> 00:17:54,059 time I went there and that basically was 367 00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:57,300 to find uh to visit the school to see if 368 00:18:02,270 --> 00:17:59,760 it was still operating and it was and 369 00:18:04,460 --> 00:18:02,280 that took quite a bit of time to sort 370 00:18:07,310 --> 00:18:04,470 that all out and to get there some dog 371 00:18:08,450 --> 00:18:07,320 way as people may know I don't know how 372 00:18:15,049 --> 00:18:08,460 many Americans actually know where 373 00:18:22,580 --> 00:18:15,059 Zimbabwe is but it is it's a tricky 374 00:18:26,210 --> 00:18:22,590 place politically um so yes in Oh 8 my 375 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:26,220 primary goal other than talking to some 376 00:18:31,250 --> 00:18:28,050 of the teachers that were there in 94 377 00:18:34,910 --> 00:18:31,260 when this event occurred was to find the 378 00:18:39,710 --> 00:18:34,920 children today um and that was not not 379 00:18:41,540 --> 00:18:39,720 an easy task because of the political 380 00:18:47,090 --> 00:18:41,550 situation in Zimbabwe they moved all 381 00:18:49,730 --> 00:18:47,100 around the world um so the first visit 382 00:18:55,010 --> 00:18:49,740 and I visited several times since 383 00:18:56,570 --> 00:18:55,020 was primarily was in 2008 I say now when 384 00:18:58,460 --> 00:18:56,580 you you said you went all over the world 385 00:19:02,630 --> 00:18:58,470 I'm assuming that you went all over the 386 00:19:05,419 --> 00:19:02,640 world to find and speak with these then 387 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:05,429 grown mostly children yeah they're in 388 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:14,750 went to South Africa a lot many had 389 00:19:22,669 --> 00:19:18,809 moved to South Africa and London Europe 390 00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:22,679 and Canada United States Australia 391 00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:26,640 yeah it's quite quite a large area in 392 00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:28,559 which it's not I can go to one place and 393 00:19:35,540 --> 00:19:32,640 find them all um so it was and that was 394 00:19:39,950 --> 00:19:35,550 a journey now how many were you able to 395 00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:39,960 actually connect with out of the 62 um I 396 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:42,000 I mean I was able to connect with about 397 00:19:52,730 --> 00:19:48,210 45 yeah and and I'm still everyday as uh 398 00:19:54,410 --> 00:19:52,740 I received not every day but it's I'm 399 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:54,420 always getting somebody else coming 400 00:20:00,260 --> 00:19:57,690 forward mm-hmm I think that's one of the 401 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:00,270 things that is interesting about this 402 00:20:08,930 --> 00:20:04,050 case is that these are well functioning 403 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:08,940 you know people in normal life and this 404 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:10,650 is something that not just one person 405 00:20:18,919 --> 00:20:14,730 one of these kids saw this was a group 406 00:20:21,799 --> 00:20:18,929 of these children uh so it's there's it 407 00:20:26,180 --> 00:20:21,809 lends a lot of credibility and a little 408 00:20:27,860 --> 00:20:26,190 less a little bit more of a honey say 409 00:20:30,140 --> 00:20:27,870 that a lack of fear of them coming 410 00:20:32,210 --> 00:20:30,150 forward not that they haven't had issues 411 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:32,220 with people you know wanting to speak 412 00:20:38,540 --> 00:20:35,250 about it but the fact that there was 413 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:38,550 there were so many lends a lot of 414 00:20:46,490 --> 00:20:42,170 credibility and in the present day 415 00:20:50,510 --> 00:20:46,500 they're remarkable children I mean I'm 416 00:20:53,060 --> 00:20:50,520 sorry not chill adults yeah ah yep now 417 00:20:55,820 --> 00:20:53,070 when you when you when you've actually 418 00:20:57,470 --> 00:20:55,830 questioned them are you you know when 419 00:20:59,390 --> 00:20:57,480 you go back and you watch the tapes when 420 00:21:01,880 --> 00:20:59,400 John Mac was interviewing them they're 421 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:01,890 very consistent now but there's always 422 00:21:06,550 --> 00:21:03,570 magic in the editing 423 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:06,560 room when you actually sought these 424 00:21:12,350 --> 00:21:09,690 people out and you spoke with them were 425 00:21:16,010 --> 00:21:12,360 they consistent and consistent with the 426 00:21:18,620 --> 00:21:16,020 original story yeah then that's been the 427 00:21:21,380 --> 00:21:18,630 most profound thing that has struck me 428 00:21:27,290 --> 00:21:21,390 because you know I am open-minded and I 429 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:27,300 also am critical and the thing that that 430 00:21:34,730 --> 00:21:30,570 from day one their first interview three 431 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:34,740 days after the event to today the story 432 00:21:38,270 --> 00:21:35,730 has not changed 433 00:21:41,330 --> 00:21:38,280 nothing's you know it's that that's 434 00:21:44,030 --> 00:21:41,340 what's clearly remarkable right now 435 00:21:46,900 --> 00:21:44,040 right now one of them just to talk a 436 00:21:49,790 --> 00:21:46,910 little bit more about the story they 437 00:21:52,580 --> 00:21:49,800 commented that the beings were like you 438 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:52,590 said dressed in black and they had long 439 00:21:59,150 --> 00:21:55,530 hair and large eyes and it looked like 440 00:22:03,020 --> 00:21:59,160 they were like they were floating and 441 00:22:07,010 --> 00:22:03,030 also there's there's some people some of 442 00:22:08,780 --> 00:22:07,020 the kids that at the time thought the I 443 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:08,790 thought it was two UFOs but I'm not sure 444 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:11,010 I thought thought they landed and then 445 00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:16,730 some thought they were just hovering and 446 00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,400 what was your conclusion on that well 447 00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:22,320 you got a-you got to remember that there 448 00:22:27,140 --> 00:22:24,360 was the whole playground school of 449 00:22:35,030 --> 00:22:27,150 children that saw different things at 450 00:22:36,830 --> 00:22:35,040 different times and uh I guess it's a 451 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:36,840 bit depends on the age of the child I 452 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:41,690 guess I would have come to understand 453 00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:45,090 because I do love kids tend to I think 454 00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:52,320 notice more detail but the would be the 455 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:53,940 the description of the hair and the 456 00:22:58,460 --> 00:22:55,770 beings it kind of threw me a little bit 457 00:23:04,090 --> 00:22:58,470 but it's not something that has never 458 00:23:07,460 --> 00:23:04,100 been reported before um but one of the 459 00:23:09,050 --> 00:23:07,470 according to them the children one one 460 00:23:10,580 --> 00:23:09,060 of them had hair and the other one did 461 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:10,590 not yeah 462 00:23:15,380 --> 00:23:13,410 that the one that approached approach 463 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:15,390 them on the playground did not uh-huh 464 00:23:19,490 --> 00:23:16,890 yeah 465 00:23:21,860 --> 00:23:19,500 and one of the thing that I've found 466 00:23:25,780 --> 00:23:21,870 very dramatic when you're watching these 467 00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:25,790 kids talk about this situation is the 468 00:23:31,790 --> 00:23:28,350 messages that they were feeling that 469 00:23:34,250 --> 00:23:31,800 they were getting and that oh one of the 470 00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:34,260 subjects I want to talk about is how 471 00:23:39,740 --> 00:23:35,880 it's affected their lives now and all 472 00:23:41,540 --> 00:23:39,750 that but can you talk um that was more 473 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:41,550 or less a consistent message to that 474 00:23:48,860 --> 00:23:46,890 basically that were we may destroy 475 00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:48,870 ourselves through technology which is a 476 00:23:53,450 --> 00:23:51,360 pretty common theory but nothing a young 477 00:23:54,740 --> 00:23:53,460 child would think of that you wouldn't 478 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:54,750 think about it and that we're harming 479 00:24:03,320 --> 00:23:57,570 the planet and apparently these kids 480 00:24:05,030 --> 00:24:03,330 weren't influenced by any peers or or 481 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:05,040 parents or anything like that that was 482 00:24:09,260 --> 00:24:06,690 just like again you said three days 483 00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:09,270 after the event there they were coming 484 00:24:14,780 --> 00:24:13,110 out with a pretty consistent thoughts of 485 00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:14,790 this that they were actually thinking 486 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:17,520 these things and I believe correct me if 487 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:19,410 I'm wrong but I think one girl thought 488 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:21,930 about it when she went home and not 489 00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:26,490 right away yeah it wasn't consistent 490 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:29,510 through all the children that were there 491 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:32,010 what I've come to understand is the ones 492 00:24:40,370 --> 00:24:35,730 that were closest to that being that 493 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:40,380 approached them were the ones that had 494 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:43,890 that one message messages about our 495 00:24:49,460 --> 00:24:46,290 planet what we were doing to it I mean 496 00:24:51,530 --> 00:24:49,470 for people in Africa at that time to be 497 00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:51,540 I mean the adults didn't even weren't 498 00:24:56,420 --> 00:24:53,460 even talking about a kids pollution and 499 00:24:57,980 --> 00:24:56,430 at that particular time in Africa was 500 00:25:02,540 --> 00:24:57,990 not a discussion 501 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:02,550 I mean it's it's that's a very different 502 00:25:11,090 --> 00:25:05,850 place it's very it mean it's the 503 00:25:12,980 --> 00:25:11,100 wildlife and the basically pollution was 504 00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,990 not was not an issue or a talking point 505 00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:14,640 at the time and the fact that the kids 506 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:19,070 were talking about it after this was 507 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:22,050 pretty profound and you know many of the 508 00:25:28,970 --> 00:25:24,410 investigators that worked on this case 509 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:28,980 we're very to this day some of the ones 510 00:25:34,940 --> 00:25:30,650 that are still alive 511 00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:34,950 I've been very that haunts them to this 512 00:25:40,010 --> 00:25:37,919 day what the children talked about well 513 00:25:43,159 --> 00:25:40,020 huh speaking of that did any of the 514 00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,169 teachers I know there was I think a 515 00:25:47,780 --> 00:25:44,880 couple of teachers that actually saw 516 00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:47,790 something did they ever talk about any 517 00:25:58,930 --> 00:25:56,130 any thoughts of the same that's a good 518 00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:58,940 question that I can't really answer 519 00:26:06,380 --> 00:26:02,000 completely I do know the answer to that 520 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:06,390 but yes let me just tell you about like 521 00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:10,290 that that whole time it wasn't just what 522 00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:13,740 happened at the Ariel school on that 523 00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:19,440 whole week of September 16th that the 524 00:26:26,299 --> 00:26:21,390 entire week there were sightings all 525 00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:26,309 around Southern Africa and Zimbabwe at 526 00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:29,520 that time on every single day that week 527 00:26:39,159 --> 00:26:35,840 on so there is a larger story here that 528 00:26:41,780 --> 00:26:39,169 hasn't really been talked about I 529 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:41,790 managed to interview about 70 or 80 530 00:26:50,990 --> 00:26:46,130 people who had separate incidents 531 00:26:53,150 --> 00:26:51,000 surrounding the area of school which 532 00:26:58,370 --> 00:26:53,160 lends a lot of credibility to the event 533 00:27:00,320 --> 00:26:58,380 that the children in Ariel saw um so 534 00:27:01,970 --> 00:27:00,330 yeah there was a bigger story somehow 535 00:27:06,860 --> 00:27:01,980 some things I'm kind of waiting to share 536 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:06,870 when the film comes out but there was 537 00:27:15,860 --> 00:27:10,410 you know daytime sightings of this this 538 00:27:19,159 --> 00:27:15,870 silver disc shaped craft um that whole 539 00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:19,169 week which is stunning I mean when I 540 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:21,240 when I went up when I went over there I 541 00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:24,530 couldn't believe it I you know I I was 542 00:27:33,169 --> 00:27:29,940 reasonably skeptical and I was shocked 543 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:33,179 when I started here oh well there what 544 00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:35,010 about this other day and this other 545 00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:37,620 person and then I started investigating 546 00:27:43,340 --> 00:27:40,500 that and one person led me to another 547 00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,350 person and um 548 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:45,840 pilots paramedics I mean the witnesses 549 00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:49,770 as far as credibility were beyond 550 00:27:57,020 --> 00:27:54,720 reproach in my opinion so yeah there's a 551 00:27:58,100 --> 00:27:57,030 larger story than just the aerial story 552 00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:58,110 yeah 553 00:28:04,930 --> 00:28:01,679 read that today that there was sightings 554 00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:04,940 before that now we have we have a 555 00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:08,370 message board at podcast UFO comm if 556 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:09,840 you're listening live you can jump over 557 00:28:14,029 --> 00:28:11,970 and ask our guests and questions we have 558 00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:14,039 a number of questions up there now for 559 00:28:18,940 --> 00:28:16,049 you first of all they're asking if the 560 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:18,950 beans communicated but we know that 561 00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:21,330 they've helped messages but they didn't 562 00:28:26,899 --> 00:28:23,100 there wasn't back and forth 563 00:28:29,180 --> 00:28:26,909 communication was er not that no you 564 00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:29,190 know I've never heard that okay and the 565 00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:31,380 next question here are the students 566 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:34,289 regulation recollections still vivid 567 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:36,570 along with the content of the message 568 00:28:43,130 --> 00:28:41,610 sent I'd say some of them uh you know 569 00:28:45,549 --> 00:28:43,140 you when you're dealing with anybody 570 00:28:48,649 --> 00:28:45,559 they're at different stages in their 571 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:48,659 lives and dealing with this or not 572 00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:50,370 dealing with this some people tend to 573 00:28:58,399 --> 00:28:52,740 block things out some people are more 574 00:29:01,100 --> 00:28:58,409 open to looking at the events that have 575 00:29:05,419 --> 00:29:01,110 occurred to them in any way so it varies 576 00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:05,429 yeah right right now one of the there's 577 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:08,340 just a comment on the message board but 578 00:29:12,770 --> 00:29:11,370 I also wondered that too and it makes 579 00:29:16,940 --> 00:29:12,780 you wonder why they chose this 580 00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:16,950 particular site that's that's everybody 581 00:29:24,380 --> 00:29:22,289 the teachers the students all ask that 582 00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:24,390 question and you know some of the 583 00:29:28,340 --> 00:29:26,220 theories are well they're their children 584 00:29:32,180 --> 00:29:28,350 they're they're the next generation at 585 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:32,190 the time there's a lot of theories but 586 00:29:37,159 --> 00:29:35,010 nobody really knows growling this 587 00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,169 playground was huge by the way this is 588 00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:40,080 not like this is more like a college hey 589 00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:41,520 know after you get a lot of room in 590 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:43,980 Africa and Zimbabwe and all the 591 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:46,530 countries there and I mean there's it's 592 00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:49,650 it's a very large state if you want to 593 00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:52,380 say as playground you know there's 594 00:29:56,259 --> 00:29:54,600 multiple playgrounds and playing fields 595 00:30:00,039 --> 00:29:56,269 and 596 00:30:03,729 --> 00:30:00,049 rounded by the bush just I'd say that 597 00:30:06,940 --> 00:30:03,739 it's it's a large large area yep 598 00:30:09,219 --> 00:30:06,950 now this does this have this encounter 599 00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:09,229 have any similarities to the one in 600 00:30:19,629 --> 00:30:16,159 Australia at the schoolyard well I'm not 601 00:30:20,889 --> 00:30:19,639 when I read up on that case I I mean 602 00:30:22,269 --> 00:30:20,899 it's very different as far because I 603 00:30:26,879 --> 00:30:22,279 don't think there were any actual 604 00:30:29,739 --> 00:30:26,889 creatures sighting um the most similar 605 00:30:32,940 --> 00:30:29,749 event that it is similar with is broad 606 00:30:36,459 --> 00:30:32,950 Haven which happened in Wales in 1977 607 00:30:38,109 --> 00:30:36,469 and I went to Wales also to investigate 608 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:38,119 that because it was the most similar 609 00:30:43,509 --> 00:30:40,369 case I don't know if you're familiar 610 00:30:49,719 --> 00:30:43,519 with that case yeah or they saw craft 611 00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:49,729 and also a being so you know when I went 612 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:51,529 there I also interviewed the teachers 613 00:30:55,959 --> 00:30:53,450 and the witnesses there and they still 614 00:30:59,019 --> 00:30:55,969 till the to this day have stuck to their 615 00:31:01,599 --> 00:30:59,029 story which I found impressive it's like 616 00:31:06,849 --> 00:31:01,609 well you know they're in their 40s now 617 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:06,859 those witnesses um and you know these 618 00:31:14,229 --> 00:31:11,450 cases those I just want to say like the 619 00:31:17,409 --> 00:31:14,239 ridicule factor that was going on I 620 00:31:20,649 --> 00:31:17,419 think it's getting better the more time 621 00:31:23,409 --> 00:31:20,659 goes by but at that time it you know the 622 00:31:26,949 --> 00:31:23,419 witnesses to that event were pretty shy 623 00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:26,959 to be to talk with me um because they've 624 00:31:33,249 --> 00:31:29,440 already been through so much you know of 625 00:31:35,739 --> 00:31:33,259 people's you know press spinning stories 626 00:31:37,989 --> 00:31:35,749 and this and that you know these things 627 00:31:40,029 --> 00:31:37,999 are hard to believe but that doesn't 628 00:31:43,959 --> 00:31:40,039 mean they're not there's not something 629 00:31:47,529 --> 00:31:43,969 to them you know I've seen but that's a 630 00:31:49,569 --> 00:31:47,539 huge thing that really us all of us as a 631 00:31:52,930 --> 00:31:49,579 culture have to really address like 632 00:31:55,019 --> 00:31:52,940 there's so much we don't know and one of 633 00:31:58,089 --> 00:31:55,029 the stories that that just strikes me 634 00:32:00,430 --> 00:31:58,099 never forget it ah because I spent a 635 00:32:04,209 --> 00:32:00,440 year in Africa and and I would ask the 636 00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:04,219 tribal you know Chiefs and the different 637 00:32:08,049 --> 00:32:06,769 tribes the shown on the Zulu would ask 638 00:32:09,670 --> 00:32:08,059 them what do you think about if there's 639 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:09,680 life 640 00:32:18,460 --> 00:32:13,730 outside this planet and we're like of 641 00:32:25,930 --> 00:32:18,470 course huh it's just of course there's 642 00:32:30,460 --> 00:32:25,940 no there was no doubt or uh it was just 643 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:30,470 somethin accepted fact hmm so you spent 644 00:32:34,990 --> 00:32:33,770 a year there now a question on the sort 645 00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:35,000 of ask this question that's up on the 646 00:32:40,090 --> 00:32:36,590 message board you know a number of 647 00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:40,100 people have researched this case what 648 00:32:46,780 --> 00:32:42,080 are some of the new things that you 649 00:32:51,070 --> 00:32:46,790 learned apart from everyone else well 650 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:51,080 you mean dot dr. Mac and Cynthia and yes 651 00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:54,770 I know you spend seven years researching 652 00:33:01,900 --> 00:32:57,440 this and we had a little chat earlier 653 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:01,910 about how much research is missing from 654 00:33:08,350 --> 00:33:05,090 the UFO field and how important it is so 655 00:33:11,290 --> 00:33:08,360 you spent seven years researching and 656 00:33:12,550 --> 00:33:11,300 working on this film so if you I know 657 00:33:14,860 --> 00:33:12,560 you don't want to give us a whole 658 00:33:17,020 --> 00:33:14,870 spoiler alert here and tell us about the 659 00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:17,030 film completely but if you can give us 660 00:33:20,740 --> 00:33:18,320 some of the things that you found out 661 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:20,750 that weren't uncovered before they'll be 662 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:24,410 great well I think nobody really went 663 00:33:32,370 --> 00:33:28,490 beta you know it hindsight is 20/20 and 664 00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:32,380 nobody went back years later to really 665 00:33:38,290 --> 00:33:35,840 find out the sequence of events when 666 00:33:41,890 --> 00:33:38,300 when the the interviews of the kids were 667 00:33:45,610 --> 00:33:41,900 done by whom collected the material all 668 00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:45,620 the video all the trimming I've been 669 00:33:49,930 --> 00:33:47,510 collecting information for seven years 670 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:49,940 which is a significant amount file 671 00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:53,530 cabinets at this point and and video and 672 00:34:01,510 --> 00:33:58,610 anything that was uh was was done on 673 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:01,520 this particular incident uh I don't 674 00:34:06,430 --> 00:34:03,650 think anybody really explored Cynthia 675 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:06,440 did a bit cynthia hind of the 676 00:34:14,020 --> 00:34:12,170 surrounding events eight of the the 677 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:14,030 surrounding events other than aerial at 678 00:34:19,180 --> 00:34:16,970 the time but note even Cynthia was 679 00:34:20,770 --> 00:34:19,190 limited on resource as I was when I was 680 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:20,780 over there and I kept finding new people 681 00:34:25,810 --> 00:34:22,850 witnesses to 682 00:34:28,659 --> 00:34:25,820 mainly this craft that seemed to have 683 00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:28,669 been around that entire week in 684 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:30,800 different places I mean there's there's 685 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:35,210 witnesses that I mean I've let part of 686 00:34:42,490 --> 00:34:39,169 the plan is also to to spend a little 687 00:34:47,710 --> 00:34:42,500 more time to particularly the people 688 00:34:49,450 --> 00:34:47,720 that saw it in the daylight finding and 689 00:34:52,419 --> 00:34:49,460 more than but I think that's a whole 690 00:34:55,150 --> 00:34:52,429 aspect that that has not been presented 691 00:35:00,370 --> 00:34:55,160 I don't it's never been presented have 692 00:35:02,890 --> 00:35:00,380 how it happened in in in great detail I 693 00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,900 mean that's why it's taken so long I 694 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:04,640 mean there's an enormous amount of 695 00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,530 information and you know this was 696 00:35:12,340 --> 00:35:08,960 originally supposed to be a DVD project 697 00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:12,350 between John Mac Institute myself and I 698 00:35:18,970 --> 00:35:16,000 took it they know it's the more I did 699 00:35:21,340 --> 00:35:18,980 educated myself and ask questions and 700 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:21,350 research the more I felt like this is a 701 00:35:27,580 --> 00:35:24,530 really incredible story the characters 702 00:35:29,890 --> 00:35:27,590 involved you know you have dr. John Mack 703 00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:29,900 from prep professor of psychiatry at 704 00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:31,910 Harvard then interviewed the kids you 705 00:35:36,270 --> 00:35:34,400 have a lot of media from all over the 706 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:36,280 world that interviewed these children 707 00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:40,130 and the consistent consistency in their 708 00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,400 their testimony it's it's a very 709 00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:48,880 powerful story and you know the 710 00:35:54,340 --> 00:35:51,200 originally again it was supposed to be a 711 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:54,350 DVD project but it's this is a story I 712 00:35:58,420 --> 00:35:56,090 think the world should see and that's 713 00:36:01,360 --> 00:35:58,430 why it's become a feature doc then why 714 00:36:03,550 --> 00:36:01,370 it's taken so long now we have a 715 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:03,560 question up on the message board but I'm 716 00:36:08,740 --> 00:36:06,050 going to sort of answer it while I read 717 00:36:11,050 --> 00:36:08,750 it is there any chance that this 718 00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:11,060 incident might have been staged remember 719 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:14,510 these are kids but for you know before 720 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:15,890 you even answer that I mean there were 721 00:36:22,780 --> 00:36:18,410 some adults too that saw this right yes 722 00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:22,790 so I mean it wasn't just kids and and I 723 00:36:26,590 --> 00:36:24,800 can understand that it's always good a 724 00:36:29,620 --> 00:36:26,600 course to look at the skeptical side 725 00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:29,630 absolutely and I think you know the app 726 00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:31,310 that you have to look at the skeptical 727 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:34,280 side and you have to look at what was 728 00:36:38,849 --> 00:36:35,170 going on in this 729 00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:38,859 at the time armed in space at the time 730 00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,440 as far as human beings programs if you 731 00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:43,359 want to put it that way you have to look 732 00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:45,700 at everything and that's really 733 00:36:51,539 --> 00:36:49,089 important just uh I think sometimes we 734 00:36:54,510 --> 00:36:51,549 missed that and how important it is to 735 00:36:56,130 --> 00:36:54,520 say okay wait let's look at this maybe 736 00:36:58,430 --> 00:36:56,140 what if it didn't happen what if I was 737 00:37:02,280 --> 00:36:58,440 mistaken identity hoax and all those or 738 00:37:03,980 --> 00:37:02,290 you know some other project um I think 739 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:03,990 it's valuable to look at that 740 00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:07,450 absolutely right yeah to be really you 741 00:37:13,799 --> 00:37:12,400 know um um even-handed yes because there 742 00:37:16,770 --> 00:37:13,809 will be people out there attacking you 743 00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:16,780 if you're not sure that's up and rightly 744 00:37:24,030 --> 00:37:21,119 so you know yeah I let's see one of the 745 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:24,040 questions I was thinking about earlier 746 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:26,650 today is you know these kids went 747 00:37:31,770 --> 00:37:30,010 through this amazing experience and now 748 00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:31,780 you get a chance to actually talk to 749 00:37:37,170 --> 00:37:34,030 them when they're adults and I want to 750 00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:37,180 know how this whole incident affected 751 00:37:42,420 --> 00:37:38,400 their lives 752 00:37:45,390 --> 00:37:42,430 what's it and just a generality here was 753 00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:45,400 it in a positive way in a negative way 754 00:37:53,490 --> 00:37:48,720 and and how about some details on that 755 00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:53,500 okay um well it varies in by individual 756 00:38:04,140 --> 00:37:59,520 I think what I've learned through 757 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:04,150 researching these events and is it 758 00:38:11,490 --> 00:38:08,290 depends on the the person's own coping 759 00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:11,500 mechanisms and you know all the other 760 00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:13,359 events in their lives their religious 761 00:38:21,630 --> 00:38:19,030 beliefs I mean it varies from why a wide 762 00:38:27,859 --> 00:38:21,640 range to this is what happened this is 763 00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:27,869 what I saw and to some very religious 764 00:38:35,970 --> 00:38:31,440 families that I talk spoke with that 765 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:35,980 felt like it was the devil now the 766 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:39,010 interesting thing about that is to me 767 00:38:42,660 --> 00:38:40,930 was well if they felt it was the devil 768 00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:42,670 it was definitely something really you 769 00:38:47,609 --> 00:38:44,230 know it was definitely something 770 00:38:48,569 --> 00:38:47,619 happened it's the interpretation is is 771 00:38:52,380 --> 00:38:48,579 different 772 00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:52,390 um but you know there's just a wide 773 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:55,089 variety and you know I've got as much as 774 00:39:00,029 --> 00:38:56,650 I've been in the Edit room which is a 775 00:39:02,249 --> 00:39:00,039 crazy amount of time oh yeah we had 776 00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:02,259 conversations about that yeah you've 777 00:39:06,689 --> 00:39:03,910 been editing like crazy for a long time 778 00:39:09,269 --> 00:39:06,699 yeah and you know I really care about 779 00:39:11,699 --> 00:39:09,279 these these people these adult kids you 780 00:39:14,489 --> 00:39:11,709 know I really feel a lot for them 781 00:39:17,729 --> 00:39:14,499 they're really good people and I wish I 782 00:39:20,759 --> 00:39:17,739 have had I will in the coming days have 783 00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:20,769 more contact with them but um yeah I 784 00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:26,079 just you know I I think they're there 785 00:39:29,939 --> 00:39:27,670 everybody has their own different 786 00:39:35,699 --> 00:39:29,949 struggle with it you know I mean some 787 00:39:40,469 --> 00:39:35,709 people some of the kids it's profound 788 00:39:42,689 --> 00:39:40,479 some are afraid some are considerate the 789 00:39:44,999 --> 00:39:42,699 most amazing thing that's ever ever 790 00:39:47,459 --> 00:39:45,009 happened to them and think of it in very 791 00:39:49,789 --> 00:39:47,469 positive terms and they say it runs the 792 00:39:57,569 --> 00:39:52,410 I'm going to ask a real esoteric 793 00:40:00,839 --> 00:39:57,579 question even in the UFO field have any 794 00:40:03,299 --> 00:40:00,849 of them I mean you hear about certain 795 00:40:03,809 --> 00:40:03,309 things like the allagash abductions and 796 00:40:07,380 --> 00:40:03,819 things like that 797 00:40:12,809 --> 00:40:07,390 has anyone changed in any type of mental 798 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:12,819 state where they can do things different 799 00:40:17,549 --> 00:40:14,650 than most people I know it's a real 800 00:40:22,319 --> 00:40:17,559 weird question but not not that I'm 801 00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:22,329 aware of um but it's uh it's definitely 802 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:28,089 and like several of the kids say today 803 00:40:33,529 --> 00:40:30,249 it's it's I keep calling kids but 804 00:40:36,089 --> 00:40:33,539 they're adults now that is what that 805 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:36,099 when they look out at the universe they 806 00:40:39,509 --> 00:40:38,410 they're in their mind their mindset is 807 00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:39,519 anything's possible 808 00:40:46,890 --> 00:40:42,880 after what we've seen and that changes a 809 00:40:49,019 --> 00:40:46,900 person's approach to life at a very 810 00:40:53,939 --> 00:40:49,029 young age they had something happen that 811 00:40:55,739 --> 00:40:53,949 wasn't supposed to be possible so I have 812 00:40:58,620 --> 00:40:55,749 never heard of any you know special 813 00:41:01,950 --> 00:40:58,630 gifts or anything like that but having 814 00:41:06,450 --> 00:41:01,960 having your your perception of reality 815 00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:06,460 blown up and is in itself a kind of gift 816 00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:09,310 depending on how you handle it all right 817 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:13,089 and you know it actually I look at my 818 00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:15,250 own sighting like that because um I 819 00:41:19,260 --> 00:41:17,920 probably wouldn't paid hardly any 820 00:41:21,660 --> 00:41:19,270 attention to this at all this whole 821 00:41:23,970 --> 00:41:21,670 subject I've got another question up on 822 00:41:25,890 --> 00:41:23,980 the message board I think it's a pretty 823 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:25,900 good one have any of the grown children 824 00:41:32,780 --> 00:41:30,250 been revisited or seen other UFOs during 825 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:32,790 their life that you're aware of yes 826 00:41:41,130 --> 00:41:37,810 Wow talk about that if you would um well 827 00:41:44,430 --> 00:41:41,140 was three or four that I've discussed it 828 00:41:47,790 --> 00:41:44,440 with um that particular part and I've 829 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:47,800 asked them all that if there was any 830 00:41:57,930 --> 00:41:50,890 further events beyond what happened as a 831 00:42:03,089 --> 00:41:57,940 child um yeah I don't know quite how did 832 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:03,099 what to speak about on that um other 833 00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:05,650 than that's they're not with all of them 834 00:42:11,329 --> 00:42:08,710 but with some a small group that you 835 00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:11,339 know I'd say over you know a handful of 836 00:42:17,579 --> 00:42:14,800 them the will recurring incidents that 837 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:17,589 happened later in their lives anything 838 00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:19,690 to do with them 839 00:42:24,690 --> 00:42:21,820 and I don't really talk about this 840 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:24,700 subject too much but did any of them 841 00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:26,530 ever claim to have any abduction 842 00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:30,599 experiences well I looked into that and 843 00:42:38,099 --> 00:42:35,440 uh I have you know some of them sound 844 00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,109 there are some things that they said 845 00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:40,240 about what happened that makes me wonder 846 00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:42,310 about that you know there's certain 847 00:42:49,140 --> 00:42:45,520 things that occur in the abduction 848 00:42:49,950 --> 00:42:49,150 scenario mm-hmm Oh lots of time and 849 00:42:53,220 --> 00:42:49,960 things like that 850 00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:53,230 mm-hmm really yes interesting 851 00:43:00,450 --> 00:42:55,750 yeah but it's it's again like it's just 852 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:00,460 it's a small percentage but then you the 853 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:03,250 people are that like sigh I have to say 854 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:05,890 like a lot of the men that were there 855 00:43:10,829 --> 00:43:07,810 you know they're men now of the children 856 00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:10,839 that were there uh tend to be more 857 00:43:15,259 --> 00:43:12,910 reticent about talking about what 858 00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:15,269 happened hmm 859 00:43:20,509 --> 00:43:19,140 the women much more open and brave if 860 00:43:27,229 --> 00:43:20,519 you want to say and I think that's just 861 00:43:28,999 --> 00:43:27,239 a cultural a cultural thing but yeah now 862 00:43:30,859 --> 00:43:29,009 let's talk about your film first of all 863 00:43:33,739 --> 00:43:30,869 does it have a working title at this 864 00:43:36,049 --> 00:43:33,749 point the working title is aerial 865 00:43:38,509 --> 00:43:36,059 phenomena ah Wow 866 00:43:41,449 --> 00:43:38,519 planned do you have an idea I know 867 00:43:42,979 --> 00:43:41,459 you've been editing away forever but do 868 00:43:45,919 --> 00:43:42,989 you have an idea when this may be 869 00:43:48,499 --> 00:43:45,929 released it'll definitely be released 870 00:43:50,329 --> 00:43:48,509 within the year with definitely here so 871 00:43:52,849 --> 00:43:50,339 yeah I'm going to make sure I stay in 872 00:43:54,349 --> 00:43:52,859 touch with you on that and get this you 873 00:43:57,739 --> 00:43:54,359 know right up on our website I mean I'm 874 00:44:00,679 --> 00:43:57,749 really fascinated myself by this whole 875 00:44:04,429 --> 00:44:00,689 thing and I really very excited to watch 876 00:44:06,139 --> 00:44:04,439 this I think my goal you know I just 877 00:44:08,689 --> 00:44:06,149 tell people like this you know it's 878 00:44:10,939 --> 00:44:08,699 taken a long time to do it and I wanted 879 00:44:17,209 --> 00:44:10,949 to really do it right you know tell the 880 00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:17,219 complete story you know and in the right 881 00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:17,609 way 882 00:44:24,819 --> 00:44:21,839 actually helps the people went through 883 00:44:27,229 --> 00:44:24,829 it because I more than anybody I want to 884 00:44:28,549 --> 00:44:27,239 present it to the the people that 885 00:44:29,809 --> 00:44:28,559 witnessed it so because they don't know 886 00:44:36,529 --> 00:44:29,819 what happened they don't know the full 887 00:44:38,629 --> 00:44:36,539 story and I've been trying to understand 888 00:44:41,529 --> 00:44:38,639 that for a long time and it'll be a good 889 00:44:44,089 --> 00:44:41,539 day to when I present it to them yeah we 890 00:44:47,179 --> 00:44:44,099 any part in this film or do you plan to 891 00:44:48,709 --> 00:44:47,189 do any type of situation I don't even 892 00:44:51,169 --> 00:44:48,719 know what you would call like phasing 893 00:44:52,999 --> 00:44:51,179 from showing someone has their being 894 00:44:58,099 --> 00:44:53,009 interviewed as a child and then showing 895 00:44:59,749 --> 00:44:58,109 them as the adult oh yes yeah yeah 896 00:45:02,749 --> 00:44:59,759 that's what I would do if I was doing 897 00:45:05,649 --> 00:45:02,759 the film yeah others moments do that in 898 00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:05,659 moments not to do that but but yeah 899 00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:09,359 absolutely part part of it now this as 900 00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:11,849 far as that isn't up on the message 901 00:45:18,109 --> 00:45:15,209 board is there the backing of this film 902 00:45:21,309 --> 00:45:18,119 is it backed by the John Mac Institute 903 00:45:24,649 --> 00:45:21,319 or partially initially it was and 904 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:24,659 basically it's been on my back for for a 905 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:28,330 while for a long time on the dot 906 00:45:32,010 --> 00:45:30,370 with all that travel and everything it 907 00:45:35,130 --> 00:45:32,020 sounds like you can really rack up some 908 00:45:36,020 --> 00:45:35,140 pretty heavy-duty expenses on something 909 00:45:40,830 --> 00:45:36,030 yes 910 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:40,840 absolutely and and you know we're now 911 00:45:49,650 --> 00:45:45,490 looking for finishing funds and um yeah 912 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:49,660 it's been quite a wait financially for 913 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:52,450 sure I am to need some producers out 914 00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:56,170 there anyone listening yeah yeah yes 915 00:46:02,250 --> 00:45:58,930 now do you have a you don't actually 916 00:46:04,050 --> 00:46:02,260 have a website for this film yet no 917 00:46:07,860 --> 00:46:04,060 that's coming I I know I haven't been 918 00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:07,870 very forthcoming with in media you know 919 00:46:14,250 --> 00:46:11,440 and I really my whole feeling has been I 920 00:46:17,250 --> 00:46:14,260 want to get the story done tell it right 921 00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:17,260 and then talk about it and yeah I mean 922 00:46:24,510 --> 00:46:20,710 and the website's definitely definitely 923 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:24,520 on its way um and people at the time 924 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:27,370 will be able to find the progress of the 925 00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:30,610 film as it's going we have a Facebook 926 00:46:36,180 --> 00:46:33,520 page very school documentary Facebook 927 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:36,190 page at this point the website is is in 928 00:46:42,510 --> 00:46:38,410 development okay I will link the 929 00:46:45,810 --> 00:46:42,520 Facebook page and it had a quick Twitter 930 00:46:47,310 --> 00:46:45,820 account or now there is document another 931 00:46:49,170 --> 00:46:47,320 question up there did the John Mac 932 00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:49,180 Institute actually withdraw their 933 00:46:55,170 --> 00:46:52,380 support for this film oh no they've been 934 00:46:55,710 --> 00:46:55,180 with with us been with me the entire 935 00:46:58,740 --> 00:46:55,720 time 936 00:47:02,880 --> 00:46:58,750 okay all right huh yes actually I spoke 937 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:02,890 with will over there yeah nice guy yeah 938 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:03,490 good guy 939 00:47:10,050 --> 00:47:07,690 absence uh you know with their with John 940 00:47:14,570 --> 00:47:10,060 Max archives and it's incredible what 941 00:47:17,570 --> 00:47:14,580 was what was kept not just video but 942 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:17,580 documents and a lot of different things 943 00:47:24,990 --> 00:47:20,970 there was buried he was invaluable in 944 00:47:27,630 --> 00:47:25,000 tracking a lot of the background 945 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:27,640 information of the kids and John's 946 00:47:32,340 --> 00:47:30,850 personal recordings on that um so John 947 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:32,350 himself when he was there 948 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:33,970 do you happen to know how many days he 949 00:47:41,170 --> 00:47:37,810 spent there he spent a week there um and 950 00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:41,180 I was three days of interviewing 951 00:47:45,970 --> 00:47:44,240 at two days at Ariel and you got to see 952 00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:45,980 the raw food is not not what we would 953 00:47:50,859 --> 00:47:48,319 see on any of these videos them say 954 00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:50,869 YouTube there's a lot a lot more footage 955 00:47:57,870 --> 00:47:55,369 than what is on YouTube absolutely but 956 00:48:00,849 --> 00:47:57,880 most I'm sure most of the profound 957 00:48:05,710 --> 00:48:00,859 things that the kids said were included 958 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:05,720 in the films that we can watch well some 959 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:08,930 of some of it there's some very profound 960 00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,010 things that I have found that are 961 00:48:18,460 --> 00:48:15,440 wouldn't be the the things right at the 962 00:48:23,740 --> 00:48:18,470 top of the you know I think it takes a 963 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:23,750 little more introspection some very deep 964 00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:28,490 profound things that were said behaviors 965 00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:31,760 that they noticed things that which I 966 00:48:38,109 --> 00:48:35,049 find fascinating because they 967 00:48:40,359 --> 00:48:38,119 collaborate with other people who 968 00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:40,369 describes similar things from other 969 00:48:46,059 --> 00:48:43,369 countries and around the planet that 970 00:48:48,579 --> 00:48:46,069 stuff that fascinates me as well there's 971 00:48:51,579 --> 00:48:48,589 a lot that fascinates this particular 972 00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:51,589 case yeah yeah that's that's amazing 973 00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:55,250 so are you actually done with all the 974 00:48:59,260 --> 00:48:57,680 shooting of this film and you're just in 975 00:49:00,880 --> 00:48:59,270 the editing process or do you believe 976 00:49:02,890 --> 00:49:00,890 that there's still more shooting to do 977 00:49:05,799 --> 00:49:02,900 there's definitely going to be some more 978 00:49:08,970 --> 00:49:05,809 shooting to do but it's 90 you know in 979 00:49:13,450 --> 00:49:08,980 the 90 percentile lanes of completely 980 00:49:17,140 --> 00:49:13,460 shot as far as that as far as the camera 981 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:17,150 work yeah and interviews that's great if 982 00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:19,490 you know we only have like a minute and 983 00:49:27,539 --> 00:49:22,910 a half or so left here so if you were to 984 00:49:30,010 --> 00:49:27,549 say to someone the most profound things 985 00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:30,020 the most profound thing that you think 986 00:49:37,089 --> 00:49:33,920 that the kids said in this whole thing 987 00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:37,099 would it be about the earth you know the 988 00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:39,049 thoughts that they had or is there 989 00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:40,250 something else that you think is even 990 00:49:46,089 --> 00:49:43,730 more interesting I think it's all 991 00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:46,099 interesting to me the fact that they're 992 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:50,569 describing something that is not 993 00:49:54,370 --> 00:49:53,450 supposed to exist is fascinating the 994 00:49:57,210 --> 00:49:54,380 fact that 995 00:50:01,630 --> 00:49:57,220 somehow they were communicated 996 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:01,640 communicating with these creatures with 997 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:08,210 no vocal speaking word telepathy which 998 00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:10,450 and also the messages that were 999 00:50:14,830 --> 00:50:12,710 broadcast into their head essentially I 1000 00:50:17,710 --> 00:50:14,840 think that all of that to me is 1001 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:17,720 fascinating hit like I'm right there 1002 00:50:21,820 --> 00:50:19,970 with you I agree thanks so much this is 1003 00:50:23,110 --> 00:50:21,830 a real pleasure I'm sorry we get a 1004 00:50:26,140 --> 00:50:23,120 little bit of a late start so we have to 1005 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:26,150 end a little bit early but I really 1006 00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:27,530 really enjoyed speaking with you 1007 00:50:32,020 --> 00:50:30,710 Randall's same here and we'll look be 1008 00:50:33,460 --> 00:50:32,030 looking for your website and once you 1009 00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:33,470 get that website going let me know and 1010 00:50:39,610 --> 00:50:37,040 I'll be glad to post it on podcast UFO 1011 00:50:41,620 --> 00:50:39,620 so that's it for the show today if you 1012 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